这几天去参加微软教育大会,差点给气死

02-09-09 cc
说白了就是广告会!!!微软真的是很能吹啊,不行了!

真是学到的东西不多,如果是让我花1000大元,打死也不去!

还有一节课是J2ee与.net的比较,很可笑,都是在win下进行的!多公平啊!!!!

banq
2002-09-09 09:27
M$的会议我一般不去,上次透明他们来上海,第二天也是M$会议,我没参加

现在M$企图使用java的pet store作对比,实际上Pet store是个学习演示的例子,并没有针对性能优化,pet store向我们展示了各种J2EE模式的使用,这肯定会牺牲一些性能。

cc
2002-09-09 09:37
对!没错!他们还自己做了一个.net宠物店来对比!也不害臊!!!

flowercat
2002-09-11 17:47
呵呵,我也有同感!

浆糊
2002-09-11 20:55
哄哄人而已,哈哈~~

看看现在做金融的,证券的,不都是java的天下?

banq
2002-09-12 11:27
去CSDN看看,那里都是微软产品用户的天下,估计跟这家网站的创始人在微软有关系,“程序员”杂志应该改成‘微软程序员’,呵呵

浆糊
2002-09-12 11:52
呵呵。。是啊。我也早注意到了。。

cc
2002-09-17 13:03
痛快!

Microsoft has published a comparison of creating a Web Service using Microsoft® Visual Studio.NET and IBM WebSphere® software.

Although we appreciate Microsoft's recognition that IBM and its WebSphere software are leaders when it comes to delivering Web Services capabilities, we'd like to note some inconsistencies in their comparison. Their comparison involved an inconsistent use of alpha, beta and "Generally Available" technologies, resulting in a comparison of unlike items. We find this misleading. Shouldn't you compare "like" items? Missing from their comparison is freedom of choice. Microsoft seems to have forgotten that freedom of choice is important to you. After all, the Internet and Java are all about choice - choice of hardware, choice of Operating System, choice of language, and choice of development platform - which translates into business flexibility. It's this business flexibility that let's you leverage current and ongoing investments, so you won't find yourself in the position of having to rebuild your entire system.

What's clear in the comparison below is that Microsoft tools fail to run on leading industry products and platforms, like Java™, J2EE®, Sun® Microsystems Solaris, IBM AIX®, IBM i-series® and IBM z-series®. We can all quote benchmarks, but they don't tell the whole story. Because it's really about choice and integration, proprietary, and single vendor versus open and multi-vendor.

Microsoft .NET IBM Websphere

Metric

Choice of Hardware Intel HP 9000, Intel, i-series,

PowerPC, Sparc, z-series

Choice of Operating System Windows AIX, HP-UX, Linux,

OS/400, OS/390, Solaris,Windows

Homogenous or

Heterogenous environment? Homogenous Heterogenous

Extend infrastructure or build from scratch? Build from scratch Extend infrastructure

Choice of tools providers? Only .NET from Microsoft IBM, Borland, WebGain, Macromedia

Java and J2EE support No, dislikes Java Yes, delivers industry standard support

C# Support Yes No

Copyright IBM Corporation 2001

Published in the United States of America

10-01

All Rights Reserved.

IBM, the IBM logo, AIX, i-series, z-series, OS/400,and OS/390 are trademarks of the International Business Machines Corporation in the United States, other countries or both.

Java and all Java-based trademarks are trademarks of Sun Microsystems, Inc. in the United States, other countries, or both.

Microsoft, Microsoft.NET and Windows are trademarks of Microsoft Systems.

Other company, product and service names may be the trademarks, or service marks of others.

*References in this publication to IBM products or services do not imply that IBM intends to make them available in all countries in which IBM operates.

deezh
2002-09-17 16:32
PetStore对于性能的比拼是没有什么意义的,这和设计,数据库等等关系都很大的,MS的.net据说还是两层结构的,用了存储过程。我想这就更没有什么可比性了。

张无云
2003-01-12 21:24
呵呵

有道理:)

我会追随你的

hxz
2003-01-13 08:43
ms不行了!…

wcj001
2003-01-13 14:11
借用铁通的一句广告词:给你一个选择。其实Java并不是MS的终结者,而是让我们在MS之外多了一个选择而已,MS不会完,而且会很好的发展下去,相应的JAVA也是一样的,不要说谁死谁活的话。

mem_fox
2003-01-15 15:47
就是!!!我认为不惯谁死谁活,掌握面向对象的思想是最重要的,而不是把所有市面的语言都学个毛皮。

13-angel
2003-01-24 20:36
强烈赞同你的话 :)

那里都是微软

iceant
2003-01-25 17:29
原来MS 在深圳搞培训的时候,我去听过一次,重点就是介绍 MS 的.NET 。其间也有宠物店的演示。

毫无疑问,从代码量和开发周期上来说, MS 是有绝对优势的。

Java 开发的门槛相对还是比较高的,熟悉J2EE要花一定的时间,会融会贯通,又要花一段时间。也难怪 MS 在国内有这么多的拥护者。

看看国外,正规公司的 IT,大多使用 MS 的方案,因为它简单,能在最短的时间内满足客户的需求。

我不喜欢 MS 的东西,但是,我不得不说,MS 实际上还是很伟大的。

为什么这样说? 因为每个人的需求不同。

以程序员的角度来看系统,我最喜欢的就是以前写在 DOS 下写 ASM 的时候,好像计算机的一切就展现在你的面前,你可以随意控制它。做为一个程序员,希望能对系统获得更大的控制权。

以应用人员的角度来看,做 Photoshop 或 3DMax 的人,他们不希望花好多的时间去学习一些 OS 的特殊命令。 要不然像 Unix 下的 GIMP 这样功能强大,而且还 Free 的软件为什么这么少人用? 因为应用人员只想 focus 到 Design 上。

MS 实际上正是在做这样的人的生意。我们可以看到,在国外的 Research & EDU org 里很少有人用 Windows, 大家都觉得它是个垃圾。对资料不安全。但是对于要娱乐,对于 focus 到与计算机没有什么关系的方面的人来说,Windows 就是最好的!

所以,MS 有它的市场!

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